MUSIC CONNECTION
gilli moon talks with
Bernard Baur about touring Europe
|
Rather than book one more
mind-numbing, spirit-killing local gig, artists are starting
to look to Europe because many have heard that they’ll be
better appreciated there. How do you get these gigs and, most
importantly, what can you expect from them? Music
Connection found the answers to these questions, and
many more, by talking with a variety of experts about touring
the countries of Europe. Veteran agents, local artists and
international talent buyers––all |
with world-class experience––will let you
know why you should consider it, how you can do it, and what
you can get out of it. |
WHAT’S THE BUZZ
Brad Wilson, lead singer and guitarist for the L.A.-based
band, Stone, is planning to put together a European tour for the
group in the very near future. Wilson handles all the booking for
the band and they’ve already toured from the West Coast to the East
Coast more than once over the years. According to Wilson the band
members not only make a decent living on the road, they also love
playing out of town. “People are very different when you get away
from Los Angeles,” he reports. “They really show their emotions and
let you know what they like. In fact, the kind of response we
generally get keeps everything fresh and reminds us why we’re
musicians.”
This type of reaction is typical for any artist who travels
outside his hometown. But what about traveling outside of your own
country? “That’s why we want to set up a European tour,” Wilson
responds. “I’ve heard some great things about playing overseas.”
International recording artist Gilli Moon has toured Australia,
England, France, Italy and Turkey as both a signed act with Tribe
Records and, more recently, under her own banner, Warrior Girl
Music, which has international distribution. Moon maintains that,
“Artists are treated way better overseas and you can get paid more
than you could ever hope for in Los Angeles. Mainly,” she adds,
“there’s a different type of relationship with the audience and the
people. It’s one that,” she says, “is based on mutual respect.”
“Artists are treated way better
overseas and you can get paid more than you could ever hope
for in Los Angeles.”
|
--Gilli Moon, solo
artist
|
That word “respect” is frequently heard when artists talk about
foreign tours. It seems that people from other cultures tend to
respect artists more than citizens of the United States do. In the
U.S. an artist’s worth is usually judged by their commercial
success, but most Europeans apply a different set of standards. Byl
Carruthers, lead guitarist and producer for Cafe R&B, a
blues-based R&B act situated in L.A., says, “You’ve got to go to
Europe to really understand how well they treat artists.”
Over the past several years, Cafe R&B has toured Europe
twice, performing in London, Paris and Spain. Presently, they’re
planning a third tour and can’t wait to get back there. “They have a
completely different attitude about musicians,” Carruthers exclaims,
“and we felt it the first day we were there. They value art, music
and family –– the core stuff. We found that in the European
countries, they honor the craft itself, and you don’t have to be
famous or even well-known to get that respect.”
Carruthers believes that their tour gave Cafe R&B great
encouragement and a new sense of purpose. “Touring Europe not only
opened our eyes, it gave us renewed hope that there is life out
there even if you don’t have a major record deal. Europe was
everything people said it would be, and I would recommend it to
anybody.”
CHOOSING YOUR DESTINATION
When choosing a tour destination there are several important
factors to consider. Language, of course, is a primary one –– unless
you’re multi-lingual. However, according to Gilli Moon, “In most
countries, including Turkey, I found that there’s always someone who
speaks a little English. On the other hand, it’s also nice if you
can learn enough to get by.” Indeed, the natives seem to like you
better when you try, especially in countries such as France where
they almost insist that Americans attempt their language.
Another significant consideration is currency –– money, moola,
dinero –– the stuff you’re going to have to spend and, hopefully,
get paid with while you’re there. The exchange rate can make or
break your tour and is one of the most important things you have to
examine.
“Touring Europe not only opened our
eyes, it gave us renewed hope that there is life out there
even if you don’t have a major record deal.”
|
--Byl Carruthers,
artist, Café R&B
|
Daniel Ben Az is an international talent buyer with over 30 years
of experience working with acts such as the Smashing Pumpkins,
Michael Jackson, Luciano Pavarotti and Green Day. He points out,
“There are tremendous fluctuations in the monetary market. In fact,
we have to constantly monitor them for the best rate of exchange.”
Additionally, Steve Levine, West Coast chief of ICM
(International Creative Management), contends, “The tax implications
alone can make a big difference and is something everyone should
consider. It hardly matters how much you make if half of it belongs
to the government.” Levine suggests that artists look for countries
with a depressed economy. “Australia and Canada are good markets
given their depressed currency, and Europe is holding steady.”
In certain countries you should also be aware of the political
situation. Ben Az, for example, wouldn’t recommend going into a
hotbed that’s ready to explode, or a country that is subject to
terrorist attacks. “Artists want to play their music and entertain a
new audience, but they shouldn’t have to put their life on the line
to do it. In addition,” he advises, “those countries that have an
unstable infrastructure are also likely to have a less stable money
market, making the currency rate tough to get a handle on.” When
that occurs, the amount of money you receive for doing a gig may not
be the amount you originally agreed upon.
In those circumstances, Ben Az strongly suggests that artists
learn to roll with the market variations. “You have to take it
within reason, because you can’t double your price just because the
market changes,” he says. “In most foreign countries there is only
so much you can charge an audience in their local currency.”
Last, but not least, is the culture itself. If you’re going to be
touring for any length of time, you’re also going to be immersed in
the culture of the land. For some artists, cultural differences may
be disagreeable or downright inhospitable; while, for others,
exploring a new culture may be one of the high points of the tour.
Moon recommends doing a little homework. “Call consulates, get
brochures and talk with other artists who have toured there. Learn
everything you can about your destination, the cities and the
culture you’re going to visit. That way you won’t be surprised when
you get there.”
“We book corporate events for our
clients worldwide, from the U.S.A. to Hong Kong. At this time,
there are about 25 companies that control 90 percent of the
corporate business in the world, and those are the people we
deal with.”
--Brian Goldman, agent in charge of
corporate events, ICM
|


|
Talk about surprises –– how about censor boards? Daniel Ben Az
relates, “There are some countries and regions that have censor
boards. Most are in Asian territories, but a few also exist in
certain parts of Europe. They have the authority to approve or
reject set lists and lyrics. In fact,” Ben Az states, “they even
have the right to come to rehearsals and sound checks to see what
the artist is wearing and what their act looks like.” Naturally,
some artists have problems with that, while others go with the
flow.
KNOW YOUR MARKET
Very few artists find acceptance everyplace they go –– even
superstars. Some locales are hot and some are not, but most of the
time it depends on the type of music you play. According to Rod
Essig, a tour agent with CAA (Creative Artists Agency) in Nashville,
“Country music is on the rise because it’s viewed as pop on the
foreign circuit. It’s just starting to get a foothold and is doing
very well in England, Australia and Brazil.”
On the other hand, according to Ben Az, rap is a hard sell except
for specific pockets in metropolitan areas. “In the Asian
countries,” he says, “it’s almost impossible to book.” Phil Casey,
urban tour agent with ICM, agrees, “Urban music, including rap and
hip-hop, is difficult to place overseas, but it’s currently hot in
the big cities like Amsterdam and Paris. It’s also starting to grow
in the United Kingdom where it’s going to be huge.”
However, pop, rock, and even heavy metal are hot in almost every
market according to our experts. But, they still advise artists to
check out the scene before committing to it. Byl Carruthers of Cafe
R&B relates that they studied the music scene in each country.
“We wanted to go to places that had an appetite for the kind of
music we do. That’s why we chose France and Spain. They’re more
blues-driven and we knew they would appreciate our music. As for the
United Kingdom, well, that was an easy call because we always
fantasized about going to England. It’s the flagship country of
Europe and I think most American bands would love to go there.”
AGENTS, PROMOTERS & TALENT
BUYERS
“Urban music, including rap and
hip-hop, is difficult to place overseas, but it’s currently
hot in the big cities like Amsterdam and Paris. It’s also
starting to grow in the United Kingdom where it’s going to be
huge.”
|
--Phil Casey, urban tour agent, ICM
|
Most people will tell you that you need an agent, or some sort of
connection, to get a European gig. And, for most artists it’s
probably good advice. After all, you’re an unknown commodity in a
strange land, and in most cases you’ll have no idea what a venue is
like or where it might even be located. That’s when the right
connections can be very helpful.
A representative is retained to protect an act’s interest. They
will not only set up the bookings and collect the money, but most of
them will also handle the production, travel arrangements and
housing accommodations. “Most importantly,” declares ICM’s West
Coast chief, Steve Levine, “we know the marketplace. We know the
changes taking place. We know what acts are worth. Our whole
division works as a team with an agenda to represent our artists. In
essence,” he concludes, “we know what’s going on.”
For their services, agents, promoters and talent buyers charge a
percentage in the form of a commission taken out of any money
earned. In California that commission is regulated and may not
exceed 10 percent. However, when international bookings are involved
the percentage may go higher, or be enhanced by additional costs.
Some promoters may ask for as much as 50 percent, while others may
reduce the amount to 30 percent. Most will fall somewhere between 10
percent and 30 percent.
But, getting someone like that to represent you if you’re an
unsigned artist isn’t an easy task. Most of the time they deal with
big name stars and acts that are getting radio play in the
territory. But, almost every rep interviewed said they might
consider an unsigned artist if they believed their act was good
enough. John Pleeter, an agent at Artist Direct, claims that he
would absolutely work with an unsigned act. “It’s on a case by case
basis, of course, but there’s always room at [our company to arrange
European bookings for] a great act –– signed or unsigned.”
Pleeter points out that artists like Dave Matthews and Phish were
building large tour bases years before they ever got signed. “All
you have to do to get a rep,” says Pleeter, “is work very hard and
build a buzz. When you think of the acts who have done that, you’ll
realize that they were on the road most of the time.”
“It’s on a case by case
basis, of course, but there’s always room for [our company to
arrange European bookings for] a great act––signed or
unsigned.”
|
--John
Pleeter, agent, Artist Direct
|
You can also find connections the old fashioned way –– by simply
networking. Gilli Moon scored many of her foreign gigs through
people she met at various workshops, conferences and festivals.
“Playing festivals has been very helpful,” she says. “I’ve met many
of my contacts at MIDEM (a record industry convention held annually
in France) and songwriter showcases around the world.”
In fact, Moon has organized a large network of resources that she
utilizes whenever she wants to tour. “Now, I know enough producers,
promoters and agents that, if I’m interested in playing someplace, I
can call them and at least ask for their advice.” Of course, just as
Pleeter advised, Moon works intensively on her career and unless
you’re willing to do the same, you can’t expect the same level of
benefits.
DOING IT YOURSELF
There are some people who are hearty souls and are able to
pioneer a trail to Europe on their own. Sometimes it’s out of
necessity because they can’t find the right representative, while at
other times, it’s simply because they’d rather do it themselves. Byl
Carruthers of Cafe R&B is one of those people.
“Everyone told me that we had to get an agent or a local rep for
every territory we wanted to tour. They said I couldn’t possibly
book my own gigs –– that it doesn’t work that way. I even compiled a
large list of names that people gave me,” recalls Carruthers. “But
when I talked with them, I found that I either got a lukewarm
response or that they were a small operation without much of a
reputation.”
Eventually, Carruthers decided that the club scene overseas
couldn’t be so much different than the one he was familiar with in
Los Angeles. So, he started reading magazines and papers from the
cities the band wanted to tour and, in the process, discovered a
blueprint for success.
“The first thing I noticed,” Carruthers reveals, “is that the
listings looked almost exactly like those you see in the L.A.
papers. So, I got a Pollstar guide with international numbers
and started calling venues to get the names of the bookers. My
thinking was that I’d rather spend money on phone calls and postage
than put my faith in some guy I don’t know and who doesn’t know
us.”
 Cafe R&B
|
Carruthers’ search focused on three publications: Melody
Maker (similar to Music Connection), Time Out
(similar to the LA Weekly) and the New Musical
Express. “These three papers gave me everything I needed to set
up tours in London and France. I also found out that their clubs are
comparable to the venues here.”
Carruthers sent 20 packages to London clubs and 10 to Paris
venues. “At first, I’d Fed Ex them so that they would get priority
attention, but later I found out that the bookers would open a
package from America before they would open one from their own town.
They thought the grass was greener elsewhere. In that regard,
they’re just like the bookers here.”
Less than two months later, Cafe R&B was offered five dates
in London, several in France and one in Spain. “They weren’t looking
for exclusives,” Carruthers explains, “and the money they offered
wasn’t great ($300 to $700 a night with a $150 to $500 guarantee),
but it was fine because the money market worked in our favor.”
SINGING FOR YOUR SUPPER
Byl Carruthers and his band planned a five-week tour, during
which they secured additional gigs to help pay for the trip. “We
discovered that quite a few clubs would offer American bands a
residency which could last anywhere from a few days to a week. That
helped a lot, since the gigs I booked in London only yielded about
$4,000.”
That realization caused Carruthers to conclude, “As an unsigned
act, you’re not likely to make enough money to cover your expenses.”
But, he found ways to cut the costs so that they wouldn’t kill the
tour. “A few places in London offered bed and breakfast with a
smaller direct payment. However, we wanted to make as much money as
possible, so we didn’t accept the accommodations.”
Instead, Carruthers went online and found vacation rentals and
townhouses that the band could rent for a week or two. “We saved a
lot of money doing it that way,” he says. “We have five members in
the band and had three bedrooms and a kitchen, which saved us a lot
on food and hotel expenses. It’s very cost effective, if you’re
playing around the same geographical area.”
When negotiating your overseas deal, you also have to consider
equipment and backline. “Some of the clubs had a backline we could
use,” Carruthers reports, “but for others we had to rent it. For
that I looked in the trade journals from the area and cut a deal for
the time we were there.”
According to Carruthers, once the club bookers see your act, some
will offer a residency when you return. “They get to know you and
see what you can do and will offer a better deal the next time.”
Those deals can include air fare, accommodations and payment. “You
know,” Carruthers laughs, “I found out that it’s easier to pull
better terms as an unknown American band in a foreign city than it
is to get the same deal as a known American band in your own
town.”
Even with their perseverence and luck, however, Cafe R&B did
not make a profit on their first European tour. “The first trip was
a loss,” Carruthers reports. “But with the second one, four months
later, we broke even. With the third, though, we plan to extend our
stay and will be making money.” In fact, within a year Carruthers
believes that the group will be able to support themselves without
outside jobs, simply by touring Europe.
 Gilli Moon in St. Mark's Square,
Venice Italy. |
SPECIAL GIGS
In order to supplement their tour income, many artists look for
that special gig –– the one which pays extremely well. Gilli Moon
discloses that every time she tours overseas she tries to secure a
corporate gig or two in the area. “They’re very lucrative,” she
says. “You can make several thousand dollars for a night’s work.
With many you can even get an advance, which helps with the cost of
getting there.” And at these events, Moon reports that everything is
taken care of including backline, instruments and even players,
if you need them. “It’s a great way to fill your time between club
gigs.”
Moon’s idea is exactly what Brian Goldman, an agent in charge of
corporate events at ICM, specializes in. “ We book corporate events
for our clients worldwide, from the U.S.A. to Hong Kong. At this
time, there are about 25 companies that control 90 percent of the
corporate business in the world, and those are the people we deal
with.”
Booking corporate gigs around tours, Goldman makes sure there is
very little down time for the artist. “We let the companies know
when our artists are going to be in the area and when they’re
available. We try to keep our artists as busy as possible.”
Goldman says that financial and pharmaceutical companies are hot
right now, as well as casinos, and that most will provide airfare,
accommodations and ground transport. “There’s absolutely no risk
with these gigs,” he claims, “because there are no tickets to sell.
All the band has to do is show up and play.”
YOU’RE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE
Because Europe is not the United States, the culture shock is
sometimes unsettling. “Getting used to the differences in other
countries is one of the biggest problems we see,” claims Phil Casey,
urban agent at ICM. “American acts are used to a certain level of
comfort, and when they travel overseas it may not be there.”
Hotel rooms are smaller and not as comfortable. The hot water may
only run for minutes, resulting in cold showers when only a hot one
will do. The food is different, the transportation is sometimes less
reliable and the level of service is, well, foreign.
All of these differences, according to Casey, cause grief for
some artists. “It’s difficult for them to adapt,” he says. But, if
you take it in stride and look at it as an adventure, Moon maintains
that, “you could have fun with it.” She recommends spending a bit of
time soaking up the local culture and the new nightlife. “Learn a
little and enjoy your time off. You don’t want to be the ‘Ugly
American,’” she warns, “because, after all, most people travel
overseas for a holiday, so there’s no reason for any artist to worry
about the differences.”
LESSONS LEARNED
Byl Carruthers confides that, like many unsigned acts in the
States, Cafe R&B was a money pit. But, after two trips to
Europe, he believes his band is on the right path. “It gave us a
fresh lease on life and a new reason to exist. Now, I can
conservatively say that in the year 2001, we will be operating at a
profit –– and it’s all due to our European tours.”
By opening up Europe as a market place, Cafe R&B extended
their fanbase, made international contacts and are selling more
records than ever. “It was the best decision we ever made,”
Carruthers declares, “and we can’t wait to go back.”
Indeed, acts such as Cafe R&B and Gilli Moon have made
overseas touring a regular routine. It’s something that they go back
to time and time again, not only for the money and exposure, but
rather, as Moon says, “When you do it right, it can be the
experience of a lifetime.”
CONTACTS FOR THIS ARTICLE:
AGENTS & TALENT BUYERS:
Steve Levine ICM (West Coast Chief) 310-550-4000
Phil Casey ICM (Urban Agent) 310-550-4000
John Pleeter Artist Direct Tour Agent 323-634-4000
Brian Goldman ICM (Corporate Agent) 310-550-4000
Rod Essig CAA (Nashville) 615-383-8787
Daniel Ben Az International Talent Buyer 310-271-5171
©2001 Music Connection Inc.
back
to interviews
|